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Shuriken · Jan 17, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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The aria, as i see it, just gives the caster enough energy back to compensate for the spell that was just casted so really it's no energy gain at all.

I knwo someone responded to this already but I want to add something to it.
its not an energy gain for the eyes, but you basicly are able to cast the same spell twice so it kinda is 2 for 1. So a 5 energy gain...

NecroticChanter · Jan 17, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Blood is Power, as I see it, puts me at 7/8 or 11/12 when I look at the party window. In a prolonged fight it's often because there is not enough damage to break the enemy not that my casters don't have the energy too.

Then tell me again, why do people say " LF BiP for Urgoz " instead of " Battery paragon need for urgoz run"? I'd rather not argue with a mod but I'm just pointing out that most PUGs prefer a BiP.

xDusT II · Jan 18, 2008, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

Then tell me again, why do people say " LF BiP for Urgoz " instead of " Battery paragon need for urgoz run"? I'd rather not argue with a mod but I'm just pointing out that most PUGs prefer a BiP.

Because those are the same groups that would rather take a warrior with a bar full of defensive skills over a Paragon providing a ~90% reduction in damage to the whole party.

Also, those groups probably prefer a BiP because the casters in said groups are so use to working with a BiP that they need one just to function properly. If your in any decent group playing properly, there should be no need for a BiP in the party, and wasting an entire character on a useless role is stupid.

Tickle · Jan 18, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

The Power is Yours -> Song of Power..
Double whammy, btw its a nice combo and have used it many times before as Paragon was my favourite class to play.
And yes battery Para's can maintain heals as well, group stays within shouting/chants range and energy management isn't a problem.

If your not confident about using both of these then use Energizing Chorus as a form of e-management or Lyric of Zeal but bottom line is, front line battery with heals = pwnage.
Don't take my word for it just try it and see for yourself..
I used to run either a command def front liner or a heals front liner but battery front liner if caster can't grasp e-management (and alot can't grasp that concept hence why I used to have a battery/heals build saved).

0siris · Jan 18, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

Then tell me again, why do people say " LF BiP for Urgoz " instead of " Battery paragon need for urgoz run"? I'd rather not argue with a mod but I'm just pointing out that most PUGs prefer a BiP.

lets face it I dont think anyone could possibly screw up playing BiP

Racthoh · Jan 18, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

Then tell me again, why do people say " LF BiP for Urgoz " instead of " Battery paragon need for urgoz run"? I'd rather not argue with a mod but I'm just pointing out that most PUGs prefer a BiP.

If your argument is "PuGs prefer it" then I really can't argue back. By that logic warriors should never use attack skills, Obsidian Flesh is a good skill, Searing Flames is a good skill, Rebirth on monks is a good tactic, etc...

They take the BiP guy because the BiP guy existed first. Trying something new scares PuGs that is why they always use a tank for everything. They won't try anything else because their current method of play works despite it being slow and inefficient. Which is of course hilarious since PuGs will use the slowest method possible to clear areas but when it comes to solo farming people want the fastest method possible.

kobey · Jan 18, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

They won't try anything else because their current method of play works despite it being slow and inefficient.

That is assuming that the pug didn't fail, in the first place :P

angmar_nite · Jan 20, 2008, 02:49 AM // 02:49

In general bips are useless. But how the hell do you fuel spinal shivers without a bip...

NecroticChanter · Jan 20, 2008, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

Because those are the same groups that would rather take a warrior with a bar full of defensive skills over a Paragon providing a ~90% reduction in damage to the whole party.

Also, those groups probably prefer a BiP because the casters in said groups are so use to working with a BiP that they need one just to function properly. If your in any decent group playing properly, there should be no need for a BiP in the party, and wasting an entire character on a useless role is stupid.

My point. I personally play paragon and would love for battery paragons to dominate but as Racthoh said, BiPs came first

Marverick · Jan 20, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by angmar_nite

In general bips are useless. But how the hell do you fuel spinal shivers without a bip...

You wouldn't. You would run [skill=text]Concussion Shot[/skill] or [skill=text]Broad Head Arrow[/skill] instead. That is, if you can convince a PuG Ranger to not run Barrage.

zling · Jan 21, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

it is very obvious that BiP>the power is yours
however a Battery Paragorn>a BiP necro that doesnt do anything besides spamming BiP
so now we come to the top secret formula, something that all of you ignored:
a Paragorn with:
yes, say it with me,
B i P ! ! !
now you can use your favourite battery skill and actually be useful to the party, both in the same time!!!
how awsome!!!

Racthoh · Jan 21, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

But then you're sacrificing points away from leadership, spear, or motivation/command for a shield. You don't really need the extra 8 AL from a shield but that's still no reason to spec into blood when motivation is good enough for a battery role.

zling · Jan 22, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

first of all Racthoh, we both agree that batteries in general are very unneeded, and a waste of character slot.
second of all those N00B PuGs that do require a battery almost always requires a BiP and not The Power is Yours or some other form of motivation battery.
third of all I dont disagree with you that Paragorns can make fine batteries, it's those N00Bs in those PuGs that disagree...

and since this whole battery concept is aimed for these N00B PuGs and since the op is playing a Paragorn but wants to fit that role than I suggested the BiP Paragorn...
not saying its great or anything, its just what the op wanted and its good enough...

blue.rellik · Jan 23, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

A real battery Paragon is one that has both SY and TNTF so the monks can be lazy